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Rallye Tatry 1973 - Czechoslovakia

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 01:18
от R5Alpine
1973 Rallye Tatry in Czechoslovakia

Known results of Bulgarian teams:
2. - Ilia Chubrikov - Kiro Kirov - Renault Alpine A110 1600
24. - Radoslav Petkov - Kostadin Gurlev - Lada 21011

Other Bulgarian teams:

23 - Kiril Mihaylov - Alexander Nenov(probably)
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29 - Radoslav Petkov - Kostadin Gurlev
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Edited with infos from "txl" :
" Here is the same car from rally "Tour of Bulgaria" in 1971:
http://history.rally-club.bg/storage/v/rally/bg_tour_rally/1971/avto_moto_71_XX.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
They say that the crew was Kiril Mihaylov - Alexander Nenov.

P.S. When I look again now on the picture with the name, it is possible that it says "МИХАЙЛОВ - НЕНОВ" but we cannot be sure about it. "

" Although on both these pictures the names are not seen very clear, they fit very well in the "pattern" Radoslav Petkov - Kostadin Gurlev and I think it cannot be a coincidence. So on this car (Сз А 6000) the names are Petkov - Gurlev. Also we know that in these years they drove such car - Alpine Renault A110 1100 (probably Bulgar-Alpine, manufactured here in Bulgaria). "

Has anybody infos about their results or retirements ?

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 10:32
от txl
Probably there are names on the front wing (above the front wheel), at least on the second Alpine Renault I think there is, is it possible to zoom it?

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 11:57
от R5Alpine
txl написа:Probably there are names on the front wing (above the front wheel), at least on the second Alpine Renault I think there is, is it possible to zoom it?

Not enough sharp to read.... :(
Alpine start no.29
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Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 12:05
от R5Alpine
Maybe you can identify this one, also from Rallye Tatry 1973:
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19 - Georgi Malkanov - Ivan Lulchev
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Edited with infos from "txl" :
" I think it is К. ЛУЛЧЕВ - K. Lulchev. I'll check if I can find anything about this name. "
" И. ЛУЛЧЕВ - I. Lulchev.
Georgi Malkanov - Ivan Lulchev with Bulgaralpine are listed as winners in class Grand-Tourism in rally Stari Stolitsi 1973. Probably the same crew here. "

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 12:34
от txl
Ok now lets see what we have :)
I think that the name on the Alpine start no.29 is К.ГУРЛЕВ , in English - Kostadin Gurlev.
Here is a picture from rally Zlatni 1972:
cza6000.jpg

You can see the same car with the same registration plate (Сз А 6000) and on the front wing you can see the last four letters of the name ПЕТКОВ - Radoslav Petkov.
Although on both these pictures the names are not seen very clear, they fit very well in the "pattern" Radoslav Petkov - Kostadin Gurlev and I think it cannot be a coincidence. So on this car (Сз А 6000) the names are Petkov - Gurlev. Also we know that in these years they drove such car - Alpine Renault A110 1100 (probably Bulgar-Alpine, manufactured here in Bulgaria).
The problem is that you have in the results Petkov-Gurlev with Lada, not with Alpine. What is more strange is that in the entry list on Rajd Polski '73 Petkov - Gurlev are listed again with Lada but I've received this picture from a fan from Poland:
PetkovPoland1973.jpg

and he says that on the picture is again Radoslav Petkov.
I don't know if it is possible that other crew (not Petkov-Gurlev) used Petkov-Gurlev's car and the names remained the old one (not correct). But in any case, in the Rajd Polski '73 entry list there are no Bulgarian crews with Alpine...

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 12:42
от txl
R5Alpine написа:Maybe you can identify this one, also from Rallye Tatry 1973:
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I think it is К. ЛУЛЧЕВ - K. Lulchev. I'll check if I can find anything about this name.

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 14:10
от R5Alpine
txl написа:I think that the name on the Alpine start no.29 is К.ГУРЛЕВ , in English - Kostadin Gurlev.

Yes, you are right.
I found another night-photo of the Alpine with start No.29 on Rallye Tatry 1973.
Clearly visible the name - К.ГУРЛЕВ
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So....one thing is sure:
On this car - 29 - Сз А 6000 - the names are: Radoslav Petkov - Kostadin Gurlev
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" it is possible that other crew (not Petkov-Gurlev) used Petkov-Gurlev's car and the names remained the old one (not correct) "
I think it is possible.
But I have same doubts.
Sometimes these old entry-lists, results are wrong.... :?:

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 14:24
от txl
What is your source about Tatry '73 classification?
And what about start No 23 Alpine - is there a name on the wing?

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 14:36
от R5Alpine
txl написа:What is your source about Tatry '73 classification?
And what about start No 23 Alpine - is there a name on the wing?

Alpine start No. 23....unusable :(
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I have the results of Rallye Tatry 1973 from a friend in Czech Republic.
He is a researcher of old rallyes in Czechoslovakia, especially Rallye Tatry.

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 14:59
от txl
Ok, so if you have original official documents from Tatry - there should be no errors in them. Otherwise in newspapers etc. it is possible that there are errors. Maybe you can ask this researcher about the car of Radoslav Petkov, if he can find anything. And do you have any photos of Radoslav Petkov on Polski 73?

About Tatry '73 start No 23 Alpine. The name from the picture is really not very usable.
Here is the same car on rally Zlatni 1973:
http://history.rally-club.bg/storage/v/rally/zlatni/plm_001/____________-____________-1973-1.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Unfortunately no info about the crew.
Here is the same car from rally "Tour of Bulgaria" in 1971:
http://history.rally-club.bg/storage/v/rally/bg_tour_rally/1971/avto_moto_71_XX.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
They say that the crew was Kiril Mihaylov - Alexander Nenov.

P.S. When I look again now on the picture with the name, it is possible that it says "МИХАЙЛОВ - НЕНОВ" but we cannot be sure about it.

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Вто Фев 10, 2009 15:46
от R5Alpine
Great !
Thank you very much "txl" !
step by step research.... :D

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Чет Фев 12, 2009 00:02
от R5Alpine
1973 Rallye Tatry in Czechoslovakia

17 - Ilia Chubrikov - Kiro Kirov
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Edited with infos from "txl" :
" In 1971 and 1972 his Alpine had other registration plate - C 0442 - http://forum.rally-club.bg/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=42971
Still, it is possible that No 17 is him. Can you zoom above the rear wheel? If there is the name and logo "Alpine-Renault" it should be original French car (not Bulgaralpine as the others) and probably it should be Chubrikov. "

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Чет Фев 12, 2009 01:35
от txl
R5Alpine написа:1973 Rallye Tatry in Czechoslovakia
17 - ??
Maybe Chubrikov ?


In 1971 and 1972 his Alpine had other registration plate - C 0442 - http://forum.rally-club.bg/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=42971
Still, it is possible that No 17 is him. Can you zoom above the rear wheel? If there is the name and logo "Alpine-Renault" it should be original French car (not Bulgaralpine as the others) and probably it should be Chubrikov.

P.S. Looking at the picture here:
http://history.rally-club.bg/storage/v/drugi/drunknownyear/sympatak_2.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
we can say that it is Chubrikov for sure :D

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Чет Фев 12, 2009 01:42
от txl
txl написа:
R5Alpine написа:Maybe you can identify this one, also from Rallye Tatry 1973:
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I think it is К. ЛУЛЧЕВ - K. Lulchev. I'll check if I can find anything about this name.

И. ЛУЛЧЕВ - I. Lulchev.
Georgi Malkanov - Ivan Lulchev with Bulgaralpine are listed as winners in class Grand-Tourism in rally Stari Stolitsi 1973. Probably the same crew here.

Re: Bulgarian drivers on European Rallyes - before 1990

МнениеПубликувано на: Чет Фев 12, 2009 14:48
от R5Alpine
txl написа: And do you have any photos of Radoslav Petkov on Polski 73?

Unfortunately I do not have pic of Petkovs car - No.81. - on Rajd Polski 73
http://www.juwra.com/poland_1973_entries.html